Over the past few days, I have been bombarded with pro-life posts, basically condemning abortion in the name of Christianity/God -- as they should!! ✊️ But I have been hearing a loud minority (always from the ones who have never read the Bible! 🤪) trying to defend abortion, ALSO in the name of God.
Honestly, this is probably the most blasphemous argument I have ever come across, especially in the wake of the Epstein Files. People are upset about the treatment of children and babies at the hands of elites, but the deplorable act of abortion is fine at the hands of the MOTHER because "III said God says so! 🤪" It's beyond heretical.
(Source: So today, I am going to debunk this lie once and for all! 🙅♀️ However, if I'm going to do that, then I have to start at the very beginning: the definition of what child sacrifice actually entails.
(Technically, the beginning would be to address the "fetus" argument, but it's so incredibly asinine that it isn't even worth addressing! 😩 Fetus is the biological term for the developmental stage of HUMAN LIFE in utero. It is human life immediately upon conception because God told us so:
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart." (Jeremiah 1:5))
So, what are the requirements to meet the definition of child sacrifice? Well, a sacrifice is the act of giving up something valuable in exchange for something else, typically "better" than the sacrifice. The determining factor of a sacrifice must be the "valuable" part because this is what sets it apart from an offering, donation, or gift. A sacrifice is typically painful to depart with, but most importantly, it is a conscience decision that the participant agrees to take part in.
For example, someone may sacrifice eating the immaculate taste of chocolate for the sake of a healthier body. Obviously the short term act of enjoying the chocolate is heavenly, but by sacrificing it for their health, they will lose weight, be fitter, increase their longevity, etc. This is an example of a sacrifice.
Now, let's put that definition to the test, and watch how every instance in the Bible does NOT represent child sacrifice; rather, they are instances of correlation (children indirectly killed as the result of an event), or punishment (children killed for parental sins; not in exchange for something).
#1. The Great Flood: all of mankind was killed as a result of their transgressions (mating with fallen angels); children were not spared. Correlation.
#2. Sodom and Gomorrah: cities and its citizens were killed due to their transgressions. Children obviously lived in those cities, but were not spared. Correlation.
#3. Firstborn sons in Egypt: the Egyptians were punished for blasphemizing God, so they were to serve as an example for the rest of the world. Children were not exchanged for something in return, and the Egyptians did not agree to sacrifice their sons. Punishment.
(The death of Pharoah's son. Source: https://wingulamashahidi.org/en/2024/12/12/the-plague-of-the-death-of-the-firstborn/)
#4. Any nations that were conquered: God would grant victory to the Israelites over opposing nations, and the Israelites would wipe out every man, woman, and child. God did not call for the specific killing of children; it was the Israelites who decided to keep the "virgin girls" for themselves. Correlation.
#5. David's son struck down: David had the High Priest killed in battle so that he could marry his wife. God killed his newborn son as punishment for his sin. David receives nothing in exchange, so it was not a sacrifice. Punishment.
#6. Jephthah sacrifices his own daughter: Jephthah promised to sacrifice "whatever walks through my door to greet him" if God made him victorious in battle. Jephthah was successful, but it was his only child that ended up greeting him. He was faithful to his promise and sacrificed his daughter. However, God never asked this of Jephthah -- Jephthah made the terms on his own -- and he obviously did not imagine the sacrifice would be his daughter.
Therefore, the only time God EVER called for a child sacrifice was when Abraham was tested in Genesis 22 (and even then, the sacrifice STILL did not take place! 🙏). God told Abraham to sacrifice his only son, Isaac, in order to determine just how faithful Abraham was to Him. After all, God was about to make the most pivotal covenant in the entire Bible, so one kinda wants to ensure that their follower is faithful and devout! 😅
However, upon seeing how committed Abraham was, God had His answer and immediately commanded Abraham to stop. Then God made His covenant with Abraham and never asked for child sacrifice again! 🙏
The belief that "Christianity is centered around child sacrifice," or that "God loves abortion" is extremely barbaric and misguided. Just because children died in the Bible does not equate to it being a main pillar of the faith; children die every day today and people criticize God for refusing to intervene! Women suffer miscarriages and stillbirths, yet that is not "God's will"; it is a consequence of our OWN freewill (choosing to have sex, issues due to poor existing health/lifestyle, medications, etc.).
Abortion is another consequence of our freewill, but do you ever notice how suddenly it's NOT God's will, but the woman's choice to make? Isn't it WEIRD how that works?! 🤪
In fact, if we're STILL confused, let's see what God Himself said about child sacrifice...:
"Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God." (Leviticus 18:21)
(Worship of Moloch. Source: https://scottaphillips.substack.com/p/a-tophet)
"Any Israelite or any foreigner ... who sacrifices any of his children to Molek is to be put to death. The members of the community are to stone him. I myself will set my face against him and will cut him off from his people; ... he has defiled my sanctuary and profaned my holy name. If the members of the community close their eyes when that man sacrifices one of his children to Molek and if they fail to put him to death, I myself will set my face against him and his family and will cut them off from their people." (Leviticus 20:2-5)
"They built high places for Baal ... to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded—nor did it enter my mind—that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin." (Jeremiah 32:35)
Now that we're a bit less confused on the subject, perhaps we can finally see abortion for what it is: CHILD SACRIFICE!! Most people tend to ask, "To who?" -- to OURSELVES!
Have we ever heard Nietzsche say that "God is dead"?! He did not mean that God doesn't exist -- he meant that we have replaced God with ourselves, and the world has become devoid of meaning!
So women sacrifice their babies in hopes that something "better" might come of it. A better education, a better paying job, a better time, a better partner, better circumstances. It is quite literally child sacrifice -- but nobody will call it for what it is.
And we have justified the act with "God l❤️ves abortion." It looks like Nietzsche was right....
(Our baby Elijah 👼 at 9-weeks-old...)
Thank you for checking out this week's post 🙏 Abortion is an issue that is very near and dear to my heart. I used to be on the opposite side -- I supported a woman's "right" to choose, regardless of the circumstances -- and I now realize how very wrong I was. I have been utilizing my voice to speak FAITH instead, and I pray that God will continue to bless me with the appropriate knowledge. Amen! 🙏🙇♀️
Can of worms....Opened!
This is something I struggle with because while I 100% believe in freedom of choice, I also 100% believe is the right to life.
Society has made it...A bigger issue. But I think if we take Scripture for it's word...We all know the answer.
Still, a very tough subject for the 'world' so I thank you for sharing it!
I see many Christians on the fence, but as we have both said now, Scripture is pretty absolute in how God views that.
While it is slightly unfair that I'm a woman and have had the experience of pregnancy to draw on, I can honestly say I see no need for abortion (and I almost died twice with Hyperemesis Gravidarum, 105lbs!). The only time I could is when it actually constitutes as a medical emergency -- both lives are in danger -- and even then I am divided because of circumstances...
But thank you for commenting, I know it is not an easy topic to discuss 🙏
100% agree
A little closer to home for me...My birth mom was about 15 years old when I was born. She could have easily gotten an abortion and no Jongo ever.
She chose adoption. Which I'm a child of! And grateful for her decision to choose life (my life)
Incredible, that is beyond amazing to hear 🙏❤️ God bless your mother for choosing LIFE! I'm sure it must have been a terrifying situation for her.
At my (Catholic) high school, they used to play a video for us. A public speaker, a woman who was the result of rape. Similar situation, her mother was a young woman who chose life, and now that lady tells her story! I have seen another of a man, a "failed abortion," who shows up at protests to let others know his story as well
Ha, well, not being a believer, I shouldn't really even get into this debate, but you know, it's Hive, and I like to think we can have these discussions.
I think using the bible to prove it either way is a fools errand, because it's a text that was written in another time and thus different context. Even many biblical scholars will tell you this.
I also think you're pushing a metaphor here that can't equate to abortion at all. In your instances, child sacrifice is a religous rite to get God's - or a deities - favour. Abortion isn't anything to do with worship.
I also don't think women are aiming for something better by terminating pregnancy - they're often due to rape, medical risk, coercion (trafficking for eg), d.v, economic survival etc - come on, it's just shitty to say all of these cases are about selfish gain. In fact, they rarely are and it's not very compassionate of you or indeed Christian to say this.
And I'm pretty sure the Bible draws a difference beteen causing a miscarriage and killing someone - murder - as different and having different penalities, so I don't think it's that easy to say the bible is totally unambigious here. Yet you're pretty clear that child deaths ordered by god as correlations or punishment but you treat women's moral decision making as blameworthy? Surely that's a double standard?
And that Molech worship doesn't equate to modern medical abortion - it's about ritual killing of children as am act of devotion which has nothing to do with abortion. It's pretty telling you don't talk about Jesus here - isn't his core teachings about mercy, care for women, and being compassionate before you condemn someone? Why have you missed that out? I mean, by all means, oppose abortion, or support choice, or don't - but talking about child sacrifice is just shutting down deep moral reflection that theologions of all kinds of denominations have been doing for centuries.
The Bible is God's truth, and truth withstands the test of time; it does not matter that we suddenly live in a different time. You brought up people causing a miscarriage -- yes, there is even Scripture for that! 😄 God still views an accidental/unintentional death as bad and tells the perpetrators to pay a fine (Exodus 21:22).
I also don't believe I am off with my metaphor, because that's what it is 😅 A child was there and now it isn't, often terminated for the sake of better circumstances as I mentioned the first time, because we live in a godless world where we only have to answer to ourselves.
This is perhaps the most accurate graph for reasoning that I've found to date, Cambridge University, 2023. Almost (or over, depending which stats you view) 50% of abortions are unplanned pregnancies; women's freewill. The cases you have brought up (rape, domestic violence) are very small cases -- 1% -- and despite that, it is still the woman's freewill to abort the baby. Having experienced countless Hyperemesis Gravidarum pregnancies -- two of which we nearly died --, pregnancy complications, and having the experience of being molested by family, I can still say I would keep any life growing within me. Women have that choice as well; you act as if they do not!
I'm confused about your last paragraph, asking why I didn't bring up Jesus, when He didn't need to be? 😅 The Old Testament quotes are from God to the Israelites after they were sacrificing their children to Moloch in the fire, and built poles to Asherah.
Thank you for your comment, I see that this debate is near to you as well. I am also grateful to have been on both sides, hearing arguments from both sides, and having children myself, finally coming to my own conclusion 🙏
I respect your ability to have children in a safe relationship. I also respect your emotional capacity to carry difficult pregnancies
Im just surprised you didn't refer to Christ if you call yourself a Christian. Surely, you have to take his view not just the old testament when you are considering morality?
If interpreter didn't change Christians would still stone people. Literal interpretation has changed with time. You might see God's truth, but you yourself are using metaphor, and I bet you'd run to the Bible for answers if someone took out your eye because you hit the neighbours dog with your car. Surely Jesus adjusts things slightly. Justice is one thing, brutality another. If you are a Christian, you can't possibly draw only on the old testament to make your decisions.
However, the data you use still doesn't really say anything about morality, which is the argument you were using. I can conceded it's interesting and corrects my generalisation, but it doesn't support your view that woman are choosing this for a better life eg better jobs 😂 and it doesn't support your view of "sacrifice" as a metaphor. You're saying to look at the Bible LITERALLY but it's ok for you to use metaphor that doesn't make sense.
The whole God is dead thing doesn't work either - that's not at all what Nietzsche meant. He wasn't talking literally either and his metaphor meant something entirely different to your argument about women's agency.
I actually don't care what you believe, just your argument is hella flawed, which is what I'm interested in.
The whole "there was child sacrifice to deities" in the Bible has absolutely no link to medical abortion. It makes as little sense to me as your belief in God and what so called Christians have done in his name - war, murder, raping children.
I'm pretty sure Gods truth was meant to be love. Literal interpretation of the Bible is just dangerous. I'm sure even your beloved Christ would say that. Go talk to him. With respect.
With all due respect, you aren't being respectful, but smug in disguise.
And so that is where I will end our conversation! 😄🙏 It is no longer a conversation, but an opportunity to attack. I certainly don't need anyone belittling, yes, our BELOVED Christ, despite how condescendingly you meant for it to come across. Your true intentions are shown, and I do not need to entertain devil's advocates. The audacity to try and lecture someone on who Jesus was, when you have repeatedly proclaimed how you don't practice, is pretty high.
And because you are also misguided on who Jesus was, Jesus did not call us to "love everyone," contrary to your idea of Christ. Christ told us to acknowledge the sinner 3 times before simply allowing him to perish with his wicked ways. Apostle Paul told us not to be yoked with nonbelievers, because what good does it do light to be tied to darkness? But, of course, given your misconstrued idea of Christ, you already knew all this! 😄
With all due respect (as I actually understand the meaning of the word), please Unfollow as I have done, and absolutely refrain from commenting on any of my posts. Thank you so much, I ask this in God's name -- aaand AMEN! 🙏😄💛
I’m not attacking Christ/Jesus, nor attempting to lecture anyone on faith. I engaged the text and its interpretation, because it is an ongoing debate, which Christians have done for centuries. If you write something so confident, surely you expect some rebuttal or discussion, but instead, you expect everyone to agree with your flawed argument. Since you’ve asked to disengage, sure, I'll still follow you as I find your arguments interesting.
I already engaged you in discussion, explaining myself twice, once in extremely detailed length in the post. I can't spend my entire time arguing an age old debate. For example, I explained how a fetus is still human life. Let's say you won't accept THAT argument because YOU don't see it as human life -- like, what am I to do?
I gave examples how Moloch sacrifice is a reflection for what is ongoing today, and you have refused to accept those arguments. You act as if paragraph upon paragraph has not been exchanged between us! Child sacrifice was for rain and victory; abortion is child sacrifice because of women hope for after it happens, or why it even occurs in the first place. You can literally go and poll any woman: why don't you want kids? "Poor, in school, bad relationship, etc." So obviously we can conclude that abortions happen because of "hoping for better circumstances." I personally know a handful of women who have had abortion, then kid, then abortion again.
So likewise to writing a debate, if you're going to engage in one, you surely have a semblance of what's happening for abortion to take place to begin with. Otherwise, I can't be faulted for assuming instigating.
I hope this clears up my flawed argument and find support for said claims.
I thought you weren't replying to me anymore? I find it fascinating that we can have some really nice exchanges, and then when I disagree with you, you go nuts and get annoyed, and call align me with Satan and call me smug, and condescending.