Now this may be quite niche for most of you and it is also not necessary for anyone to know or properly understand them, but I kind of wanted to go through the use-cases of them and the ideas behind them. These are also projects of my own just for transparencies sake. One of them @reward.app is partially owned by myself, with @cardboard being the builder and is "for-profit", it has a 1% fee. @commentrewarder is also partially mine, built by @hivetrending, this one has no fee, although we've voted up some of its posts when things got tight with liquidity recently due to the increase in usage.
Alright, now let's dive into their planned usecases and how the community decided to use them mostly instead.
The idea with this was a lot more than "liquidating rewards", although that's kind of what people use it for mostly. After the bid bot wars and move to Hive, there was one thing that kind of was lacking, a way to promote your posts. This is something that's unfortunately been brought up often, people DM me and ask if I can help with visibility to promote something they're working on but my hands are usually tied unless it's something that directly benefits "all of Hive". I often recommend them to forfeit author rewards but this still makes it hard for them to get access to bigger votes to get to trending for the attention they may seek since they'd need to be able to contact bigger stakeholders and have them agree to vote the post up.
The idea behind @reward.app was that a user could forfeit part of their author rewards through beneficiaries to give the rewards back to curators.
Let's say I made this post 100% going to @reward.app and at the same time I would send @reward.app a memo with the number "100" in it indicating I want all of the author rewards to go to curators. This would mean that if you voted the post up, you would receive double the rewards back at payout, effectively 17% APR on your Hive Power if you constantly voted on such posts.
The difficulty here is that front-ends would need to be able to track when a user has set their author rewards to go to curators which may not be so easy. Other than adding the icon that reward.app was used which front-ends like @peakd do, voters would have to go track their recent memo to the service to know how much of the rewards they are getting back, it's a bit "hacky".
Now, to prevent abuse, this also means that people overusing this service would be open to downvotes. If someone is promoting something malicious we would need downvoters to then downvote these posts which may have attracted a lot of voters because there's double rewards. This generates extra curation work, especially manual, which we often find the lack of these days.
Thus it kind of became unused and we never experimented with it much to see how it would evolve.
PS. The default setting is to send curators an extra 4% of the author rewards, that's why you may some times see some @reward.app returns hit your account as people using it to liquidate their author rewards may unknowingly forfeit 4% of their rewards because they haven't sent the service a memo with the number "0".
@commentrewarder was meant to help smaller accounts save voting mana but still be able to reward their comments with some small tips by forfeiting part of their author rewards.
Instead of small accounts spending 100% votes on comments and often still not getting past the dust threshold of $0.02, we made it possible for them to only spend 1% votes for instance to equally share some tips to users in their comments. Then they could instead spend their voting power on posts already past the dust threshold to still receive 0.001 curation rewards or more.
While some accounts are using it properly (commentrewarder follows authors who've recently used it so you can track them through @commentrewarder/feed), most of its usecase we've seen recently has been through promotion and marketing efforts such as @hive-echo and @coldbeetrootsoup which is great to see. They generate posts and send all the author rewards to @commentrewarder and then use their votes to direct them to the comments, sort of like a mini reward pool of that post itself.
I'm happy its evolved and people are giving it a proper try and the good effects it may have on Hive promotion and marketing.
I kinda wish @reward.app would've seen some more usage of its initial idea but maybe the time's not right as there may not be a big need for trending attention at these times.
Anyway, let me know what you think of the services and if you've experienced any of them yourself!
We have thousands of active users on Hive and Hive community usually rewards the users and in return we would expect some kind of support. Overal we are not big fans of @reward.app because this prevents the most important part of Hive and that is for users to have HP and to join the circle of voters/curators and support not only Hive but also other Hivians. Because of @reward.app users can now take all rewards of a post and give nothing back to the ecosystem. Just another way of draining the pool.
We have been talking about uniting to promote Hive on Web2 for many times. So many people also talked about Marketing. When Marketing! Well, if you want to do marketing, you believe in Hive but don't agreen with some marketing ideas that got funded then you should stop crying and breinstorm for ideas. I have to say, so far @commentrewarder idea is one of the best ideas a Hivian brought to life and implemented to our daily usage. It is so very simple, but yet so damn powerful.
With the help of rewarding Hivians we are creating what we call "Hive Army" and uniting everyone to participate in simple but yet very important Call To Actions on Web2 promoting and supporting Hive Community and the Ecosystem. Now, thanks to @starkerz and his amazing team who created this awesome onboarding possibility https://checkinwith.xyz/ and many Hivians are preparing a huge list of tasks for new users who will be rewarded for doing all of these tasks, we will be able to grow Hive Army even bigger since some tasks incluse our Call To Actions and Commentrewarder.
We can achieve much more if we work together and work on stuff to promote, support and grow Hive.
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Many things start off with good intentions on Hive but sadly many get abused by people.
Unfortunately reward.app has been abused so much now, definitely not a fan of it.
Commentrewarder on the other is very useful and I have totally control over how rewards are distributed including not to opportunitist who spam comment on these posts.
Will test @commentrewarder 🗳💱
CommentRewarder is cool. I use it even though I can give decent votes just to spread the rewards a bit more.
Glad I stumbled on this post, now I'm better informed about Reward app and comment rewarder. This is a great initiative.
I'm one of those who often receive the rewards from Comment rewarder for participating in Hive Echo and Coldbeetroot campaigns.
I like the idea of being able to help others in the comments without using too much voting power — especially for smaller accounts like mine. Thanks for explaining it all in a way that makes sense, even for someone still learning
reward.app could use a bit of rework, right now is mostly used to get liquid hive instead of staked ones rather than promote the post
commentrewarder on the other hand is a great tool, easy to understand (with the proper explaining) and very effective on it's duty
I saw the reward.app info sometimes but I had no idea how it works. I use commentrewarder in some of my posts. Thanks for the info.
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Looking into it! Especially for use with the summary posts of some of the tipping posts.
I had no knowledge about this important information before; am gonna reblog this to my profile so my audience can at least take full advantage of this.
This is a great accomplishment on the hive blockchain, keep it up.
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Wow! 😨 You partially own commentrerewarder. You are an investor. Guy! How??? Pioneering a lot on hive tells a lot.
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I was of the impression that @reward.app is to have all rewards in liquid, e.g. if I want all my post rewards in liquid, isn't that true ?
@commentrewarder is a great tool, though I don't use often as I vote most comments myself.
great initiatives, I tend to read all replies and comments on my stuff and if they are more than just "great photos" kind of things, on one side and what I perceive as AI on the other vote accordingly.
@acidyo writing like smash this tag @reward.app ... and thaks for everything boss.. i am waiting for your next live stream in youtube ....
I really love this
Yeah I have experienced a tone of rewards coming @commentrewarder I'm really excited about it and I want to make a post about it now too, you see the magic here is that is foster engagement a lot, which I see to be hive primary motives, not just coming to create a post and run off but standing and engage in with other like minds authors as well. I have seen this transform my approach to hive and content creation on hive...
Its really a very nice strategy to promote hive as well to other web2 space especially with what @hive-echo and @coldbeetrootsoup is doing ... even I couldn't believe the height at which its gone ....
I love this and I'm engaging more
good info,thanks
Some of them I know and also some of them you to me so thanks so much for sharing those knowledgeable posts.
This is really encouraging and great
Greetings, I love commentrewarder I use it in most of my posts it is a system that brings many benefits, it is simply great to be able to reward those who interact with you it is great to be able to give back with part of the rewards of your post to those users. ,
Regarding rewarapp I have not used it because my project so far is to grow in Hive and bring to the platform and users all that benefit and love that they have given me. However, many of those who interact with me use rewarapp for various reasons, I think it is a very necessary function for other cases
But commentrewarder I adore it.
I'm new to this platform, and I appreciate this knowledge; it's a real help to everyone in the community. Thanks, comment rewarder!
I'm learning, but what I do know is that it's good to reward those who visit our post, that's very good.
The @commentrewarder program is very interesting. I usually only followed posts about topics I liked, but the attraction of being rewarded for a relevant comment made me expand my horizons. When I see a post with it, I usually read it. When I have something to comment on, I don't miss the opportunity. Being able to control who will benefit is wonderful. It prevents people who leave comments like "great", "excellent", "congratulations" and so on from receiving anything. A wonderful idea for Hive. I don't think I've ever used the other one.
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I have not used what you mention, I have lacked more information. But I am thinking about using it.
Well hive have so much users and I know how it benefits us specially if we need to learn some more new words in English and in good intention though.
I like commentrewarder, and glad it works and gets used as intended, shame reward.app ended up primarily being used as a reward liquidator, when I've used it I think I've got mine set to 10% to curators, just remembering to actually use them is my issue lol.
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