This is not just any tech giant.
And it's not just any podcaster.

I've observed the whole thing; from when CNN attacked pewdipie however many years ago, the Joe Rogan 'horse dewormer' Ivermectin thing and all inbetween.

"You look like a guy who watched a youtube tutorial on how to be a guy" to Zuckerberg's face was something new. XD
Have you watched the podcast?